Cone Shaped Roofs

    Hi Der_Planer,


    Awesome! Thanks for sharing your example. I see you converted the image to a PDF allowing me to view and rotate it. I have Adobe 8 professional. What do I need to be able to create viewable 3D PDF files?


    Respectfully!


    Kayaker

    Der_Planer,


    It appears I have 3D dxf export, I also have export (VRML) so do I really need Adobe-3D this must be a program for purchase and not a free down load? What is the advantage of Adobe 3D? I have not yet used export (VRML) I think clients can down load a viewer and then do a walk through?


    Thanks!


    Kayaker

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    AdobeAcrobat 3D is not free, perhaps it is 1000...1500$ ?


    You can view the 3d model with the free AdobeReader version 7 or higher.
    There are different possibilities to get the model from Dietrich's to Acrobat 3D:


    1. you can capture it directly from OpenGL view. It's very fast. But: you cannot switch off/on/transparent single parts ,only all in one, and all parts have the same texture.


    2. you can create a 3d dxf export as solids (not lines), and read them into Adobe 3D (by drag and drop). I created the cone roof model in this way. Dxf doesn't transfer textures, so the pdf model will only be colored. You can switch on/off/transparent any part (rightclick on a part and follow the menu).


    3. you can also read a vrml file with textures into Adobe 3D. The result will be beautiful (Acrobat version 7 did it better than ver 8 does). But: you cannot switch the beams, but only every single face of a beam.


    I prefer solution 2.


    There are 1000 features more, what you can do with Acrobat 3D. Colors, textures, animations, make parts movable on click, ... and much more. But it takes a lot lot lot lot lot of time to learn it all.


    Time is money, and money we have none... :wink:

    Hello Again,


    Thanks for the options. I know one thing; I don't want to go into another learning curve with another program. I'm still in the first curve with a long road ahead in learning Dietrich's an enjoyable journey I must say.


    Thanks!


    Kayaker

    Hi Der_Planer,


    Viewing your model did you do all the modeling in D-Cam? I'm wondering if the segments (beams on top of the circular wall) were created in ground plan and the beams then entered in wall design. Was roof calculation / roof design used to create the cone shaped roof? I'm looking for a starting point as I am approaching trying to create a cone shaped roof.


    Respectfully,


    Kayaker

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    Hi Kayaker,


    it's all Dicam work. No walls. No roof.


    - 3D measure with Leica Builder (as you see on the photo)
    - assisting geometry in ground floor, (some circles and lines)
    - extruded the "wall" shape in Dicam
    - created a Dicam 12 edges cone 2-2-3 to get some regular 3D clickpoints
    - added beams
    - turn, push, cut...
    - finished.

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    You see the yellow box on the tripod?
    It's a laser theodolit.
    It stores 3d points without needing another measure tool.
    The electronic gets horizontal and vertical angle, the distance is measured by a laser beam, and the result is a defined 3d point. For this project I collected 81 points, and measuring was complete in 12 minutes.


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    A u f m a ß - P r o t o k o l l

    Job Name: PHA
    gemessen: G.TONN


    BUILDER R100M Gerät Nr: 900477
    Job angelegt: 05.07.2008 07:42:53



    Messpunkte:
    1(Pt-ID) 9.681(x) 7.786(y) +1.588(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:42:54
    2(Pt-ID) 14.284(x) 7.523(y) +1.514(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:10
    3(Pt-ID) 17.115(x) 10.814(y) +1.567(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:23
    4(Pt-ID) 12.619(x) 10.730(y) +1.435(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:37
    5(Pt-ID) 9.511(x) 7.521(y) +2.312(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:50
    6(Pt-ID) 9.693(x) 7.943(y) +2.309(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:58
    7(Pt-ID) 9.165(x) 8.316(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:03
    8(Pt-ID) 8.698(x) 9.152(y) +2.310(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:08
    9(Pt-ID) 8.808(x) 10.347(y) +2.299(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:12
    10(Pt-ID) 9.612(x) 11.192(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:17
    11(Pt-ID) 10.697(x) 11.399(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:23
    12(Pt-ID) 11.644(x) 10.973(y) +2.315(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:29
    13(Pt-ID) 12.084(x) 10.454(y) +2.305(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:35
    14(Pt-ID) 12.203(x) 10.527(y) +2.308(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:39
    15(Pt-ID) 12.705(x) 10.769(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:44
    16(Pt-ID) 13.477(x) 10.824(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:52
    17(Pt-ID) 13.482(x) 10.816(y) +1.346(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:58
    18(Pt-ID) 13.487(x) 10.817(y) +0.017(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:04
    19(Pt-ID) 14.135(x) 12.472(y) +0.884(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:20
    20(Pt-ID) 14.803(x) 12.821(y) +0.881(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:26
    21(Pt-ID) 15.769(x) 12.830(y) +0.858(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:33
    22(Pt-ID) 16.314(x) 12.577(y) +0.883(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:45
    23(Pt-ID) 16.384(x) 12.528(y) +0.701(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:50
    24(Pt-ID) 16.387(x) 12.532(y) +0.062(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:55
    25(Pt-ID) 16.937(x) 11.847(y) +0.070(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:03
    26(Pt-ID) 16.937(x) 11.847(y) +1.265(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:06
    27(Pt-ID) 16.944(x) 11.839(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:16
    28(Pt-ID) 17.066(x) 11.355(y) +2.311(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:21
    29(Pt-ID) 17.080(x) 10.840(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:26
    30(Pt-ID) 17.525(x) 10.774(y) +2.309(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:34
    31(Pt-ID) 17.531(x) 10.776(y) +1.702(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:39
    32(Pt-ID) 17.528(x) 10.775(y) +1.094(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:44
    33(Pt-ID) 17.027(x) 10.568(y) +1.066(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:52
    34(Pt-ID) 16.726(x) 9.966(y) +1.065(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:55
    35(Pt-ID) 16.023(x) 9.410(y) +1.070(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:01
    36(Pt-ID) 15.740(x) 9.338(y) +1.111(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:32
    37(Pt-ID) 15.747(x) 9.332(y) +1.668(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:40
    38(Pt-ID) 15.745(x) 9.333(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:48
    39(Pt-ID) 15.038(x) 9.248(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:56
    40(Pt-ID) 15.034(x) 9.248(y) +1.342(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:02
    41(Pt-ID) 15.040(x) 9.257(y) +0.045(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:08
    42(Pt-ID) 15.037(x) 9.162(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:15
    43(Pt-ID) 14.987(x) 8.571(y) +2.311(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:21
    44(Pt-ID) 14.747(x) 8.028(y) +2.308(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:26
    45(Pt-ID) 14.386(x) 7.630(y) +2.305(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:40
    46(Pt-ID) 14.295(x) 7.524(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:48
    47(Pt-ID) 14.279(x) 7.521(y) +1.699(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:55
    48(Pt-ID) 14.286(x) 7.513(y) +1.095(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:59
    49(Pt-ID) 14.148(x) 7.454(y) +1.072(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:04
    50(Pt-ID) 13.404(x) 7.212(y) +1.065(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:10
    51(Pt-ID) 12.667(x) 7.286(y) +1.068(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:14
    52(Pt-ID) 12.248(x) 7.490(y) +1.069(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:20
    53(Pt-ID) 12.229(x) 7.484(y) +1.665(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:27
    54(Pt-ID) 12.223(x) 7.473(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:34
    55(Pt-ID) 12.200(x) 7.515(y) +2.309(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:39
    56(Pt-ID) 11.886(x) 7.783(y) +2.312(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:46
    57(Pt-ID) 11.623(x) 8.154(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:53
    58(Pt-ID) 11.620(x) 8.172(y) +2.190(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:58
    59(Pt-ID) 11.614(x) 8.168(y) +1.269(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:05
    60(Pt-ID) 11.616(x) 8.170(y) +0.023(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:13
    61(Pt-ID) 11.197(x) 7.931(y) +2.302(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:35
    62(Pt-ID) 11.208(x) 7.941(y) +1.601(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:42
    63(Pt-ID) 11.211(x) 7.945(y) +1.085(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:51
    64(Pt-ID) 10.952(x) 7.843(y) +1.057(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:59
    65(Pt-ID) 10.370(x) 7.780(y) +1.056(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:05
    66(Pt-ID) 9.978(x) 7.841(y) +1.052(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:10
    67(Pt-ID) 9.712(x) 7.947(y) +1.061(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:17
    68(Pt-ID) 9.707(x) 7.934(y) +1.663(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:23
    69(Pt-ID) 9.704(x) 7.931(y) +2.168(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:28
    70(Pt-ID) 8.628(x) 8.494(y) +2.536(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:22
    71(Pt-ID) 8.629(x) 8.494(y) +2.637(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:26
    72(Pt-ID) 8.594(x) 8.815(y) +2.593(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:31
    73(Pt-ID) 8.598(x) 8.788(y) +2.899(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:40
    74(Pt-ID) 8.534(x) 9.374(y) +2.870(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:46
    75(Pt-ID) 8.454(x) 10.120(y) +2.874(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:50
    76(Pt-ID) 8.384(x) 10.763(y) +2.893(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:56
    77(Pt-ID) 8.511(x) 10.805(y) +2.888(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:53:02
    78(Pt-ID) 8.506(x) 10.874(y) +2.896(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:53:07
    79(Pt-ID) 8.379(x) 12.034(y) +2.911(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:53:12
    80(Pt-ID) 8.089(x) 10.732(y) +5.444(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:54:02
    81(Pt-ID) 8.077(x) 10.748(y) +7.078(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:54:11


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    Data output (via serial cable) can be done in different formats, for example as txt (see above) or as 3d dxf file (picture below).

    There’s just no end! 8O ](*,) "For this project I collected 81 points, and measuring was complete in 12 minutes". Does this include setting up the tripod? :wink: (o)



    Kayaker

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    add 3 minutes. :wink:


    3d measuring has some advantages:
    - you can do it alone (in most cases)
    - it is exact (±3 mm)
    - you get the measure points where you really need them (near the top of the wall)
    - it makes a lot of fun
    - you can measure points, which you could never reach manually
    - you are back home before sunset
    - you have optical control in the model
    - and a hundred more...

    Hi Der_Planer,


    I don't have this wonderful measuring tool available. At this point, I only need to do a presentation that could lead to a sale. Can I approach this cone shaped roof from another angle?


    Thanks!


    Kayaker